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issue commentdogecoin/dogecoin

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@Drael64

for multi-hop to work you need payment channels set up all the way to your payee?

See that's the clever part. You don't need to be the one to set them up. The way the game theory of the network settles out, you have an incentive to open channels to peers that are relatively poorly-connected. Because if they make a payment to some other random node in the network, if they have fewer channels they'll be more likely to route through you and you get to collect a (very small, usually ~1 sat) fee. It turns payments into a graph theory problem, which is has been studied for decades. Due to the way the network settles out, channels in the network will always form a connected graph, since there's no reason to exist in a small island separate from the rest of the nodes in the network. If you only have like 2 or 3 channels (and channels to peers with poor liquidity in their channels) your experience might be poor, but with enough channels (which autopilots when better developed will take care of) you should always have liquidity available to make reasonably-sized purchases from your channels.

It's true that adoption is tricky. BTCPayServer (which is one of the more widely used web checkout systems) has support, which is a big milestone ideologically speaking. Upgrades like AMP, Boomerang, Eltoo, and others will help with adoption by improving UX.

@Cyclic

I also have relatively little involvement in the Dogecoin project. I'm mainly here to guide people and shoo away bigblocker FUD. Dogecoin might never have a definite need for Lightning (since it's just for fun an block space is 10x more available), but not being able to support it if it is needed is just foolish.

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issue commentdogecoin/dogecoin

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Honestly, it still seems clunky to me. Like for multi-hop to work you need payment channels set up all the way to your payee? What if there is no payment channel link there? Unless I'm misunderstanding.

We also don't really have a fees problem. For us the primary application is just point of sale - the mainnet is cheap and fast enough for everything else. We could actually have higher fees on a layer 2/side chain, and that wouldn't be an issue.

IDK, I'm not entirely sold, even if it's easier to develop in. If I understand correctly, it basically requires widespread adoption before it's useful to everyday users. Otherwise you have to still set up direct channels. Which is adoption friction/user friction. I think ideally you don't need specific peer channels at all. Just two sidechain/layer 2 wallet address and that's it.

And given BTC is slow/expensive, and doge is fast/cheap, there are odds that friction could matter a lot more.

@Drael64 I totally agree for a longer term solution, but most layer 2 work on other projects is still incomplete, and still does not yet compare with the SegWit solution. A layer 2 implementation will require a heavy lift, while CSV and SegWit already developed, working, and in production, with gotchas ironed out. Both solutions can be done, but we should focus on delivering the most value with the least amount of resources, and then ship the BFR following that. Just consider them both part of the doge roadmap. Not to come off as presumptuous, I am totally new here, but I just wanted to add my own insight and understanding to the mix.

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pull request commentdogecoin/dogecoin

Fix Chinese Translation

I guess we really need to finalize which Chinese to use,as there are 2 version there "Simplify and Traditional Chinese"

  1. Simplify Chinese : mostly in Pinyin ; country involved - China, Singapore, Malaysia & etc
  2. Traditional Chinese : zhuyin ;country involved - Taiwan, Hong Kong & etc

This is what I've tried to do in the translation fixes, please let me know if you spot anything that doesn't fit. I also used simplified for Chinese (unspecified country), since it's more common worldwide.

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issue commentdogecoin/dogecoin

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Honestly, it still seems clunky to me. Like for multi-hop to work you need payment channels set up all the way to your payee? What if there is no payment channel link there? Unless I'm misunderstanding.

We also don't really have a fees problem. For us the primary application is just point of sale - the mainnet is cheap and fast enough for everything else. We could actually have higher fees on a layer 2/side chain, and that wouldn't be an issue.

IDK, I'm not entirely sold, even if it's easier to develop in. If I understand correctly, it basically requires widespread adoption before it's useful to everyday users. Otherwise you have to still set up direct channels. Which is adoption friction/user friction. I think ideally you don't need specific peer channels at all.

And given BTC is slow/expensive, and doge is fast/cheap, there are odds that friction could matter a lot more.

patricklodder

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issue commentdogecoin/dogecoin

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Doge just needs CSV and SegWit and then all the existing implementations can be ported over fairly easily. Litecoin also has lightning network, although it's much smaller.

This seems like the most viable solution, and is in line with both optimizing transaction efficiency as well as adding value to Doge. It's also flight tested:

_"On 21 July 2017, bitcoin miners locked-in a software upgrade referred to as Bitcoin Improvement Proposal (BIP) 91, meaning that the Segregated Witness upgrade activated at block 477,120.

SegWit alleviates the scaling problem in two ways:

SegWit solves Transaction Malleability, thereby enabling the Lightning Network, an overlay network of micropayment channels, hypothetically resolving the scaling problem by enabling virtually unlimited numbers of instant, low-fee transactions to occur "off chain".[5] By 8 August, another milestone was reached when 100% of the bitcoin mining pools signaled support for SegWit, although SegWit would not be fully activated until 21 August at the earliest, after which miners would begin rejecting blocks that do not support SegWit.

Initially, most bitcoin transactions have not been able to use the upgrade.

Segregated Witness was activated on 24 August 2017. The bitcoin price rose almost 50% in the week following SegWit's activation.[6] On 21 July 2017, bitcoin was trading at $2,748, up 52% from 14 July 2017's $1,835.[6]

In the first week of October, the proportion of network transactions using SegWit rose from 7% to 10%, indicating an increase in use rate.

A small group of mostly China-based bitcoin miners, that were unhappy with bitcoin's proposed SegWit improvement plans, pushed forward alternative plans for a split which created Bitcoin Cash.[7]

As of February 2018, SegWit transactions exceed 30%.[8]"_

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issue commentdogecoin/dogecoin

Not yet redeemed

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When I try to go to that server .. it says it acnt be found .

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@patricklodder @ghmac @danielmbradley @leo94666

Hello gentlemen, I wrote some posts about Dogecoin and not yet redeemed. Please ... If you have time , please read my post. I apologise for the grammar and typos..

Kathy

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trivial: minor fix in Chinese translation

I'm a very Shiba Inu and Dogecoin lover, and it's my very first contribution to the community. Please let me know if there is anti-pattern against the contribution guide in this PR. Thanks!

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trivial: minor fix in Chinese translation

This PR fixes a minor issue in Chinese translation - changing incorrect term yi' zhi to 一致 in Chinese

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issue commentdogecoin/dogecoin

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When I put the wallet address to search for balance , one site will say it's not valid and another site will say it ha 1.6 mill dollars . image

When is lying or who is fake ? I think it's dogechain info

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As you can see it is not yet redeemed in the photo above m

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This shows I sent it from Binance. My chat with this site disappeared .. i can't find the site ... They wanted me to send from my wallet ..it was Binance that sent my coins . Now they wanted me to connect my binance to my trust wallet or any wallet so that they can give me back k the coins doubled.

I didn't know how to connect because i am really slow.. TThen when I wanted to chat .. I didn't find the site anymore .

Thanks please I just want to be directed to a block chain expert . Thank you

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Please help me find the recipient of Dogecoin address . I sent 8thousand .n

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I was scammed and I need help . I can see that my transaction iD and wallet address of recipient and it says not yet redeemed .

I sent my dogecoins to

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Because I was stupid to believe they would double it . image

The website was dogecoin-snl.com and I learned about this giveaway from YouTube . Why do they air scammers ? image

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refactor: improve efficiency and fix all CVEs

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issue commentdogecoin/dogecoin

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Doge just needs CSV and SegWit and then all the existing implementations can be ported over fairly easily. Litecoin also has lightning network, although it's much smaller.

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issue commentdogecoin/dogecoin

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OK, well it does seem like a rather complicated solution, but I'm convinced that it could be usable and also doesn't introduce dependencies :P

Doge would have to replicate all of that I assume to be usable, I assume, and retailers would need to set up channels.

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issue commentdogecoin/dogecoin

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Yes it's completely decentralized, the same way Bitcoin is, there's no privileged parties at all. There's some users (such as LNBIG.com) that run services to provide you with inbound capacity on channels, but as far as the protocol cares they're just any other user. Depending on your client can even choose from multiple backend Bitcoin node implementations in case for some reason you don't want to use Bitcoin Core to interface with the ledger or if you want to run an SPV node.

Here's all the major clients that I'm aware of:

  • lnd by Lightning Labs targeting embedding in end-user wallets
  • c-lightning by Blockstream targeting enterprise users
  • Eclair by ACINQ targeting enterprise (Java) users (and Android I guess?)
  • Electrum, which has existed forever as an SPV wallet but added Lightning support because it just makes sense to
  • In development: rust-lightning by Matt Corallo, designed to be "highly modular" and probably for use integrated into other applications

There's a couple others. Not only is the network itself pretty decentralized but the development of the protocol is debatably more democratic than Bitcoin itself.

patricklodder

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So the infrastructure of lightening is purely decentralized? Like the hardware/software that processes the channels?

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issue commentdogecoin/dogecoin

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dedicate money into something

True, but putting coins into LN channels doesn't perform the same function (participating in consensus) that staking does in PoS systems, which is why it's not a particularly appropriate term in my opinion.

is lightening decentralized? Can you process transactions without depending on particular third parties?

There's not actually a significant advantage to having a large amount of funds to put into channels with people. You could try to become a hub by opening channels with tons and tons of users, but that's a lot of money to set aside and if you tried to abuse that position by increasing the fees you set to route payments then users would just ignore you and route through the existing channels. You don't have to depend on specific third parties, though the peers that payments are routed through don't pose any risk, they never have any custody of your funds.

It might be worth taking a look at this network explorer's statistics page. The average node has 8 channels and a capacity of ~0.12 BTC (which is the sum of the capacity of all their channels, not necessarily their total balance). I wish there was a histogram that showed these distributions a little better.

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Change all Proof-of-Work references to Proof-of-Woof

In order to signal our support for Elon and join the fight against wasteful energy consumption, this PR changes all references to dirty proof--of-work to "proof-of-wow"

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issue commentdogecoin/dogecoin

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New cafe yes (assuming this is some future world where everyone uses Bitcoin), read more. "Staking" is not the right word, I'm not sure why people keep using this word to describe channels. But no, the peers you have channels with are not the only people you can pay.

Yes you need to have some channels with specific peers, however the magic of lightning is multihop payments, where you chain a payment through multiple channels to make a payment to a user that you don't already have a channel to. This happens atomically and there's no risk of a payment only partially completing. Most payments you make multihop payments, although with people you pay often (like a local shop) it may make sense to maintain a direct channel and allow you to pay them without needing any internet access. I also don't understand why people overlook multihop payments, which are the most important development that lightning gives us.

Channel management autopilots are still being developed as we understand common behaviors, so in the short term the best UX may involve some manual channel management, but improving this is exclusively a wallet-side thing, it doesn't require fundamental change to the architecture.

Interesting. Cheers for that explanation :) Staking just means dedicating a stake. When you dedicate money into something (which presumably you still have to do with multihop, but also to some degree any layer 2)

I guess the next question for me, because that does sound potentially more usable, is (because of the speeds stated), is lightening decentralized? Can you process transactions without depending on particular third parties?

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